ITR, When???

Originally posted by Bill Miller@Nov 21 2005, 08:28 PM
Actually Kirk, those look like T2/T3 cars to me!  :023:
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Bill,

...I like your answer. Along with Andy and Jake, a glass that is half full will be looked apon more favorably. Please count me in when the need for support is sent out. Now is the time to start this, like Andy said. This can happen by 2007 with the right attitude, and in good health....
 
Well, if you guys really want it, send a request to classify the car you desire to build. Be prepared for the "Doesn't fit the bla bla baa " response...but also send in a seperate letter requesting a class above ITS to run the car you want to build in, and as a home for T3 etc, cars.

I think the idea is basically sound, and is what will be needed down the road, but IT is still not the CRBs favorite child, and I imagine they are not inclined to add classes friviously ...err, I mean IT classes friviously, LOL.
 
Originally posted by lateapex911@Nov 22 2005, 03:24 AM
I think the idea is basically sound, and is what will be needed down the road, but IT is still not the CRBs favorite child, and I imagine they are not inclined to add classes friviously ...err, I mean IT classes friviously, LOL.
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Why because IT takes away from "serious" racing that we should be doing? Like racing 35 year old Formula Vs? Or Vintage Formula Fords? Or T classes where we have to have basically a new car to rag out? Or our Spridget with 14:1 compression that needs a rebuild every third race?

CRB needs to pull head from sand and look around at a race - IT generates lots of cash although not as much as it used to, I think, due to SM. I suppose SM is a board favorite now huh?

R
 
Originally posted by rlearp@Nov 22 2005, 01:37 PM

CRB needs to pull head from sand and look around at a race - IT generates lots of cash although not as much as it used to, I think, due to SM.  I suppose SM is a board favorite now huh?

R
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Ron,

.... I think the old saying "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" comes to mind. So maybe if we make some noise we will get some help. Spec Miata got a lot of help because of the amount of participation, so when they made some noise it was big.

.... Even though there isn't a lot of cars already built that will run ITR I know that if the class is implemented the cars will come. I know a lot of guys that run ITS that will jump up just because they prefer to run the faster of the Improved Touring classes.

.... Rick
 
Originally posted by Hotshoe@Nov 22 2005, 08:22 AM
Ron,

.... I think the old saying "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" comes to mind. So maybe if we make some noise we will get some help. Spec Miata got a lot of help because of the amount of participation, so when they made some noise it was big.

.... Even though there isn't a lot of cars already built that will run ITR I know that if the class is implemented the cars will come. I know a lot of guys that run ITS that will jump up just because they prefer to run the faster of the Improved Touring classes.

.... Rick
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I see an RX8 in the future!!! Go ITR. :happy204:
 
Originally posted by Hotshoe@Nov 22 2005, 07:22 AM
Ron,

.... I think the old saying "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" comes to mind.
.... Rick
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This is SCCA.....I am not sure this rule works.....I think every part of the club squeeks a lot.
 
I think BECAUSE this class is Regional Only (RO), it will see less resistance from the PTB. Seriously, they know that the T2/T3 cars need a place to go and I think we are right at the front end of this curve. The cars are just coming out of their 5-year shell and we may just be ready!

AB
 
...which reminds me that one strategy toward the ITR end would be to draft a set of rules and get regions to adopt them individually. The trick would then be having the ITAC strike while the iron was hot - between some initial excitement and growth, and the inevitable local diddling with rules that would make NER ITR different than NCR ITR.

Hmm.

K
 
Originally posted by Knestis@Nov 22 2005, 09:05 PM
... The trick would then be having the ITAC strike while the iron was hot - between some initial excitement and growth, and the inevitable local diddling with rules that would make NER ITR different than NCR ITR.
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Hmmmm Is right....... I like the way you think How about a "Push to Pass" button. LOL

NCR Member
 
Originally posted by Hotshoe@Nov 22 2005, 09:43 PM
Hmmmm Is right....... I like the way you think  How about a "Push to Pass" button. LOL

NCR Member
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I've written my letter urging adoption of any ITR proposals. Later this week I'm going to write an ITR proposal. I don't have any experience doing it, but I'll make a spreadsheet with suggested cars, weights, stock hp, and what I think you can get out of a car. With some of the cars I have good experience and think I can predict well (Mustangs, 968, M3) others (such as a 80-81 Porsche 928, 80s 911, Supra), I've not a lot of experience and will be shooting in the dark. But, one must try. Beats the hell out of sitting around here and debating if we should have an ITR or not, or if the board will pass it.

Ron
 
Because we are masochists, Ron and I have a 1982 Porsche 928 five speed sitting in a barn waiting to be built for ITR.

This could be fun for 2007. Real fun. Like Kirk said, these are close to Grand Am Cup specs. It would be really neat to see the IT crowd put on shows in that type of car.
 
Originally posted by rlearp@Nov 23 2005, 01:00 AM
Beats sitting around here and debating if we should have an ITR or not, or if the board will pass it.
Ron
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Ron,

... I'm on your side, but remember, haste makes waste. I'm thinking that if we use the forum to get members interested, get them involved, then the more people we will have to make a move towards making a new class.

... Taking into consideration what Andy, Jake, and Kirk have said. The more letters we can get the better. So please count me in. Just let me know what I can do to help.

... I see that Steve is ready to make the jump up from ITS. Sure would be fun to compete against him in the same class. (even though I have had a few "run ins" with him already ...lol ) And you and Jeff in a Porsche would be fun to compete against also. So it looks like we have three cars so far, without even asking for a show of hands.

... Ready ......That is what the R stands for and I am R
 
Originally posted by rlearp@Nov 15 2005, 06:56 PM
I'll build one of the above for the class, promise.
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Like I said, make an ITR and you'll have at least one car under construction within hours of passing! :P A 928. I REALLY like pain and suffering. Jeff just likes suffering, but I like both. Since I won't build a ITS Lotus Esprit for my punishment this is the NEXT best thing, man, am I looking forward to it. Arbeit macht frei.

You are right Rick, too fast and we'd be off track. But, if this comes on in 2007 there is a good amount of time to get it right. I can see Z3s, M Coupes, 928s, 911, Mustangs, Zs, Supras, M3s, and lots of, hate to use the term, but "real" performance cars racing on the track. It'd be fantastic. S,A, and the rest would still exist I'm sure.

R won't change me racing my JH in 06, or probably you racing the 7 and SM in 06 either, but the class would be very welcome in 07 I think.

Heck, I just looking forward to having a rookie year in 06 with my car. Which, if I am to do, I must get out in the garage and work on to have a shot! Motor extraction must occur tomorrow on the JH so I need to start preparing for that joyful task.

R
 
Originally posted by rlearp@Nov 23 2005, 03:23 AM
Like I said, make an ITR and you'll have at least one car under construction within hours of passing!  :P
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...And I am already working on mine. 98 BMW Z3 2.8 drop top. And Steve will chip in a Rotary Rocket RX8.

... Any others?
 
Originally posted by Hotshoe@Nov 23 2005, 03:29 AM
...And I am already working on mine. 98 BMW Z3 2.8 drop top. And Steve will chip in a Rotary Rocket RX8.
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Damn! Rick's got the jump on everyone! Jeff, get out the horse and hitch her up - we got to pull the 928 out of the barn!!!!!
 
Originally posted by rlearp@Nov 23 2005, 03:36 AM
Jeff, get out the horse and hitch her up - we got to pull the 928 out of the barn!!!!!
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... Now that is what I call enthusiasm .... just what every club needs. That is what we all need, to "hitch up". ..... . That's what I like about you Ron.

....Hope some of it rubs off on me
 
928???

What HP did that come with? (NOT the S4 version, LOL) What can it make all prepped up

RX-8??? Whoa ...not quite 5 yrs old yet....
 
Originally posted by lateapex911@Nov 23 2005, 04:42 AM
928???

What HP did that come with? (NOT the S4 version, LOL) What can it make all prepped up

RX-8??? Whoa ...not quite 5 yrs old yet....
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Jake, calm down, I know it sounds heinous but it was only 218 stock. And it was heavy. I read R&T back in the 80s too and thought it the end all be all, but, 25 years layer, well, it ain't much. Prepped with a good exhaust (it came with shortie tubular headers) I think it'd be in the neighborhood of 250-260 fwhp for a well done one, still below, (IMHO) a naturally aspirated Supra or 300z. I'll let you know with dyno plots when we get them!

The S4s is a lot better, but, given what has happened in performance cars in the last 5-10 years isn't anything to write home about anymore. My truck will smoke one in the quarter, so, it ain't 1992 anymore.
 
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