MR2 in ITB?

Spinetti,

I drive a suzuki swift in B, and the weight it is given is also more then stock curb weight. My minimum is 1795 and I'm pretty sure they weigh less then this stock....

Plus, race weight is with driver....

So, I weigh about 230 (248 with suit on...heavy suit :rolleyes: )

I actually am over weight by over a 100lbs....and it is going to be expensive for me to get down to the min weight.


John,
yes the ITB fields are smaller then A....All the more reason to take the uncompetitve A cars down to B!

I guarantee it is more fun to be dicing for first place in a 4 car B field then to be constantly frustrated at the back of the pack of 10 A cars...
There are plenty of talented drivers in B that will give you guys a run for the money...(no, not me B) )

Besides, if the slow A cars come down, the B fields will not be so small anymore...
 
Joe, if I had an MR2 that would be the problem for me. In A, at least around here, I would have competition and guys to race with. In B, I would not. Fields are small, very small. Since I don't drive an MR2, I really can't comment, but if I did the difference between running mid pack in a 10 car field versus at the front in a 3-4 car field mighte lead ME (and that's just me) to want to stay in A.
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Jeff, I understand that desire but the fact is if we moved some cars to B then B will grow. I would bet money that if the RX7 went to B that the pro7 classes and rx7 only classes would work their way back into B...Just my thinking.
 
I guess I missed writing my letter on the 7's possible move to ITB.

Cost of new wheels huh.... Stock plus wheels are 5.5" and we've all got a stock pile of them somehow.

If the 7 got moved to B, I'd even consider building a new motor for it and pulling the For Sale sign out of the window!
 
Oops..no insult intended....just saying, ask the MR2 guys before you move the car. There are some folks out there running the car who might want to stay in A.

Same is definitely true of the RX7. Lots of RX7 guys here in the SEDiv are still competitive in A and don't want to move.
 
Jeff, on the whole I would bet money that moving the RX7, MR2 and a couple of others to B with the correct adjustments would have a far more positive impact that not. I also feel that sometimes you just have to make a change for the good of the whole club not just a couple of people that may be stuck in their ways.
 
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I completely agree with what Joe has said – scary, huh? :) People who say they don’t want to move to ITB because they’d need to buy new rims are not taking the time to think about their statement. I’m sorry, but that reasoning is just silly. Do any of these people attempt to make their cars faster? Do they ever buy new tires because the old ones are getting very slow? Do they ever buy any go-fast parts for their cars? Where is the car running now in ITA; where would it be running in ITB with a very small investment?

Go to a junk yard, get two sets of 6” rims for $200. The tires that fit on the 7” rims will also fit on the 6” rims, so that isn’t an issue. Then sell the same number of rims you had for $100 total. What, too cheap of a selling price and think you can get more? To get from a car that runs mid/back of a competitive ITA field to a car with the potential of winning the ARRC and running at the front in ITB isn’t worth a $100 investment (maybe less)? Come on now.

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I hear ya, but once again am with Joe on this. If we can get a bunch of the tweener ITA cars properly classed in ITB, then the fields will not be small. In addition to the existing cars that would be impacted by this more, there would be other people going out and building new racecars from these choices. How many RX7s are just waiting for a chance to be competitive again?

My belief is we should stay away from the dual classification now that the cage rules have changed, at least as part of a long term deal. It will create too many issues.
 
Yeah, you move to B, you play by the B rules. ITB rules say you get 6" rims; deal with it. I did, had to ditch all my 7" rims. Do you hear me crying? Yeah, all the way to the friggin' podium!! I'm sorry, do you want me to subsidize your rim purchase? Maybe I should pay for your new cage and some lead too, so that you can go from back of the pack to the podium for free? I'm sorry, I thought this was a sport you had to spend money in to win! Do you expect to win on the 3-year-old tires you've been running on too, since a new set of Hoosiers every year wasn't worth it to run at the back of the pack?

BTDT; now I gladly spend $800/year for tires to stay up front. I'm also now glad that instead of competing with $10k+ CRX's that I'll never catch, I'm duking it out with $5k cars I can afford to race against. Waaah waaah waaah...

I can appreciate wanting to run against a bigger, more meaningful field... but that's all about what's popular, etc... home track of Waterford, we usually have more B cars than A cars - 8-10 is typical! It's all where you're located...
 
Vaughan, I agree.

But here is what I see happening in the SEDiv: you put the RX7 in B and the remaining guys who are running in A probably go to IT7. For whatever reason, there is a very strong RX7 culture here in the SEDiv, and these guys are FAST. Most of them don't want to go to B, at all.

Joe's point about having to do some things for the benefit of the club as a whole is a valid one. I'm just saying, these guys (the 7 drivers in the SEDiv) are a very large group (perhaps one of the largest collections of IT RX7s in the country, they enjoy racing each other, and they are still competitive with the A cars (numbers be damned!).

One of them constantly reminds me that the 12A RX7 was actually in ITS when first classed......
 
I say move them. The other 4cyl mid engine car is here - Fiero, albiet with an outrageously different motor (iron duke - all torque no revs)

The wheels are a complete non-issue. 14x6 wheels with 4x100 bolt pattern are so common it is silly. 80% of VWs for 2 decades came on them, and the centerbore allows them to be used on Toyotas and Hondas. (am I nuts and the MR2 is a different bolt pattern?)
 
Yeah all those guys who don't want to buy 6" rims are silly! :wacko:

BTW - re-read the thread - I don't think anyone has said they don't want to buy 6" rims. Only some heresay from Andy about some mystery 110hp car. Let it be known that there hasn't been any opposition about downsizing wheels on the MR2. Even from me, where it will kill my secret weapon (oversized autocross tires)

I'm just trying to figure out where an how I can mount all the weight so it won't become a projectile! And I just finally threw out most of my interior!

Jake
 
Ummm, you know I use 225 Hoosiers on 6" rims. In fact, I used them on 5.5" rims before.

Adding weight? Which would you rather, try to figure out how you can lose all of that weight or put parts back in the can / lead to attain a weight? I thought you were pushing for the latter, no? Either you want it or you don't.

You've seen my car with its small spare tire and OEM jack in the trunk, passenger seat, and 50 lbs of lead on the floor. There are lots of ways to increase weight of a car.
 
You've seen my car with its small spare tire and OEM jack in the trunk, passenger seat, and 50 lbs of lead on the floor. There are lots of ways to increase weight of a car.
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And you need more weight ;)

Just eat A LOT of track food, you'll get the weight required :P


I predict that at some point the MR2 will get moved, I have said that for a while... Why has it not been moved yet? Over and Over the RX-7 and MR2 letters have come in and been denied correct? I think one issue I have is why would the change be made now but not before?

Andy have you and/or others run the process on EVERY IT car to see what class they would get classed in "if" they were to get classed in todays world? Anyway we (the interested members) could see that spreadshhet with the results for ALL cars?

Raymond
 
Raymond, not to pound the proverbial deceased equine, but there are a lot -- A LOT -- of RX7 drivers in the SEDiv who strongly oppose the move of the car. A lot of them, most really, don't post here. I think the consensus for the move, for that car (not talking about the MR2), is far from a consensus.
 
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